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The Dark Enlightenment: The Creepy Internet Movement You’d Better Take Seriously

They may believe in the Dark Side of the Force, but these Sith Lords aren't joking around

Blossoming on the Internet like a fetid rose, a mysterious new political movement has generated a serious and not un-terrifying critique of modern society. Its members are loud and growing in number, and they demand nothing less than the elimination of the democratic system. Mostly white, male and angry, they lie in wait for the imminent collapse of civilization.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Dark Enlightenment. The Empire is striking back.


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Much as Christianity grew out of the cult-sodden ferment of the Roman-occupied Middle East, the Dark Enlightenment has sprouted from the hyper-anxious anti-liberalism precincts in the darker recesses of the Internet.

So we’ve dug deep into the Web, where the movement lurks. We’ve talked online to its philosopher king, Nick Land, and we’ve conversed with his faceless adherents.

Here’s a quick FAQ sheet on the nascent movement:

What is the Dark Enlightenment? As the term suggests, the Dark Enlightenment is an ideological analysis of modern democracy that harshly rejects the vision of the 18th century European Enlightenment—a period punctuated by the development of empirical science, the rise of humanist values and the first outburst of revolutionary democratic reform. In contrast, the Dark Enlightenment advocates an autocratic and neo-monarchical society. Its belief system is unapologetically reactionary, almost feudal.


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The many bloggers who constitute the movement style themselves as “Dark Lords of the Sith,” self-described fearless truth-tellers, who—mixing their cinematic metaphors—offer Matrix-evocative “red pills” of awakening in the form of sulfurous conclusions about the state of the world. Indeed, questioning the prevailing Western narrative is typically a Dark Enlightenment writer’s modus operandi, skewering the values of the liberal establishment.

Nick Land (YouTube)


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Where does the term Dark Enlightenment come from? Inspired by the pugnacious writings of Mencius Moldbug, the prolific blogger who serves as the movement’s unofficial center of gravity, the neologism is the creation of philosopher Nick Land. In 2012, Land wrote an impressively thorough manifesto titled simply The Dark Enlightenment, which boldly articulates the movement’s central thesis: “For the hardcore neo-reactionaries, democracy is not merely doomed, it is doom itself. Fleeing it approaches an ultimate imperative.” The essay continues, “[Neo-reaction] conceives the dynamics of democratization as fundamentally degenerative: systematically consolidating and exacerbating private vices, resentments, and deficiencies until they reach the level of collective criminality and comprehensive social corruption.” No, this isn’t your grandpa’s conservatism. (Unless your grandpa was General Franco.)


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Mencius Moldbug (YouTube)

As for Mr. Moldbug? Yes, he does exist, and no, that is not his real name. (That would be Curtis Yarvin.) You can find plenty of photos and video that document his many conference appearances. Mostly, though, Moldbug—who lives in the San Francisco area and works in the software industry—blogs and blogs and blogs.

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What do they believe? Post-red pill awakening, liberal progressivism is seen as a state religion, an unquestioned humanist ideology that determines all outcomes and silences dissenters through dismissal. It’s a worldview generated and sustained by the mechanisms of the system itself. Moldbug has given that system the ecclesiastical label of the Cathedral. Seeing the Cathedral for what it is marks the first step to becoming darkly enlightened.


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What is the Cathedral? According to Land and Moldbug, the Cathedral is a complex ideology network built atop the university system, the media (run and operated by graduates of the former) and employees of the bureaucracy, all of whom grow ever more dependent on the perpetuation of the Cathedral. The leveling mechanisms of democracy—with its race-to-the-bottom vote begging (buying) and illusions of social empowerment—remove any possibility of inventive political solutions, or, eventually, rational analysis. Inside the Cathedral, any questioning of democracy’s legitimacy is sacrilege. Before long, apostates will find penance by buying indulgences (like, say, Obamacare), whether they like it or not.


Why pay attention to a niche movement of political extremists who pine for the good old days of European feudalism? Because these guys mean business. The Dark Enlightenment’s desire to raze the democratic edifice of modern civilization opens the movement to darker and more subversive views. Nowhere is this more evident than its focus on human biodiversity, or HBD in insider parlance.


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What is HBD? Human biodiversity is the rejection of the “blank state” of human nature. Creepily obsessed with statistics that demonstrate IQ differences between the races, the darkly enlightened see social hierarchies as determined not by culture or opportunity but by the cold, hard destiny embedded in DNA. One blogger calls it “The Voldemort View” (adding Harry Potter to the Star Wars/Matrix mix), claiming that, “mean differences in group IQs are the most likely explanation for the academic achievement gap in racial and SES [socioeconomic status] groups.”

(Jana Schirmer and Johannes Voss)

Cue the adherents of The Bell Curve, eugenics enthusiasts, believers in white supremacy and sympathizers of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. In the Dark Enlightenment, we seem to have stumbled across a place where pseudo-intellectually grounded racism is flourishing in a way it hasn’t since before World War II.

In our discussion, Land was explicit in his view on this: “HBD, broadly conceived, is simply a fact. It is roughly as questionable, on intellectual grounds, as biological evolution or the heliocentric model of the solar system. No one who takes the trouble to educate themselves on the subject with even a minimum of intellectual integrity can doubt that.”

Unsurprisingly, the Dark Lords of the Sith despise modernity’s preoccupation with “equality,” viewing it as a triumph of democratic ideology over science.

Did I mention that almost all of the darkly enlightened are white men?

Is this fascism? Desire for genetically determined ruling classes, distrust of popular democratic reform, distaste for the aesthetic standards of mass culture, and nausea over the political correctness of modern life—the Dark Enlightenment does have all the markings of a true neo-fascist movement. It’s here that the dangers of the Dark Enlightenment are hard to dismiss.

(Jana Schirmer and Johannes Voss)

I asked Land the fascism question, specifically. His response was illuminating: “The Dark Enlightenment is the only cultural space promising an intelligent discussion of fascism today. Even though this discussion remains very germinal, the best fascist and anti-fascist arguments are to be found within its environs.” But he adds, “Speaking entirely personally, I think the DE is the only coherent antidote to fascist thinking presently available.” While he didn’t articulate how an anti-democratic, racially charged, anti-modern, authoritarian political movement could be, in any way, anti-fascist, he’s a bright enough guy. I’m sure he has an answer.

What is their blind spot? My immersion into the hermetic truths of the Sith Lords left me wondering  what exactly they saw as so disastrous about modern society. The world is richer, healthier, less poor, less violent, and able to access more information than ever before. Even in the developed West, in America, the very Vatican of The Cathedral, poverty and economic turbulence cause less death and suffering than they did only decades ago. And Europe, despite its recent near-economic collapse and massive unemployment, looks more like a comfortable, retired continent than a truly suffering one. None of which is to deny or minimize the problems of modern society. It’s only to suggest that the solution may not be a return to monarchy and rigid racial castes. Anyone read much about how great things were in 14th century Europe?

Could the Dark Enlightenment become a major political movement? Probably not. To acquire momentum in the real world, the systems of modern democratic capitalism would have to suffer a blow far more damaging than any received so far. If it does, the members of the Dark Enlightenment believe they will be in position to take over.

For now, though, the Dark Enlightenment will remain an archipelago of diverse worldviews—Catholic fundamentalism, xenophobic ethno-Nationalism, techno-singulatarian futurism, neofascism—united mostly by their disavowal of modernity. And maybe a little alienation. White alpha-males aren’t what they used to be.

But if the movement is diffuse and barely organized, its members are smart and riled up. And it’s no coincidence that Dark Enlightenment advocates would be the ones to rule (again) should their philosophy become dominant.

What’s the verdict? In the end, the Dark Enlightenment should be taken seriously at least by anyone interested in contemporary political thought; its beliefs are reasonably argued and its leading writers can be an engrossing read. And it is becoming increasingly evident that major structural reform, maybe radical in nature, could be what America requires if it is to continue to flourish in the 21st century.

Still, something essential is always left out of the neoreactionary equation. Universal equality and classical democracy are not synonymous with an all-purpose, lowest-common-denominator leveling of mankind. Rather, they speak only to an existential fairness in which each of us has the right to value, direct and make meaning of our own lives.

May the Force be with you.

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  • Congratulations. You really succeeded in writing an objective and unbiased article. It really helps people form a documented and objective oppinion of the Reactionary movement.

  • Well, of course the constant promotion of Critical Theory had to backfire at some point. And I agree that this is only the tip of the iceberg. It’s a progressive society, we need to move away from old traditions like democracy. We don’t want to stagnate, do we? So we do move forward, never stopping, even if that means going in circles.Though I find the racial and gender profiling a bit worrying – does it matter for the judgment of a movement if it consists of black or white, male or female? There seems to be some bias here, which only encourages hostile feelings towards “the other group”. Which probably is a sign for what the article mentions, moving away from the principles of egalitarianism. In short: “No, John – YOU are the demons.”

  • Note to author: I think these guys are nuts too, but if you can’t make your point without using the word creepy* (several times) you lost the argument.*This is the parlance of teenage girls.

  • And it’s no coincidence that the current system allows people like Barack Obama or George Soros or Hillary Clinton to rule either.Of course a movement will promote its members. What kind of jaw dropping eye opening statement is that?Also, equality is not fairness. Fairness means letting people excel to the best of their means. It doesn’t mean trying to make unequal people equal.

  • Anyone who names themselves after characters in Star Wars can be safely dismissed. Pathetic, privileged schoolboys who maybe need to watch The Matrix a couple more times – they’re the dissent the system tolerates.

  • One connection between some of these nodes in the chart are Christian Reconstructionism aka dominionism. see google.

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  • I LOVE IT!! Where do I sign up??

  • Scary, weird, and unexpected–thanks for the warning.

  • Sounds like the Democratic Party to me.  Also, Scientology got it’s start like this too, although it was in real print, not just 1′s and 0′s.

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    • The fact that this “Dark Enlightenment” sounds like the Democratic Party to you shows that you are very stupid, or insane, or both. To me, it sounds just like the worldview of ultraconservative Republicans!

  • Except that in order to do any of this stuff the guys would, you know, have to come out of their rooms.

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    • Golden Dawn are definitely outside of their rooms.

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      • Golden Dawn is more of a traditional reactionary movement though. Neo-Rx people seldom do anything real except for transhumanist conferences.

  • And may the Farce be With You!

  • this writer sounds like a rascist radical socialist extremist

  • this is total bullsht. claiming catholics as fascist????, and if you want to talk fascism it is the political left socialist who are more closely aligned with fascism than any conservative or libertarian ever would be and pure democracy was never an objective of modern thoughts on freedom and was certainly not the designs of the founders of the USA

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    • @WSXZAQ: The stupid is strong in you, child. The Catholic church got on very well with the likes of Mussolini, Franco and the Argentinian junta. Oh, and fascism is an explicitly right wing ideology. Get your head out of your arse and join reality.

  • The question is diversity of opinion. Take a monarchy system of government. Prince Charles of England believes in global warming. Take a democracy. President Obama believes in global warming. If truth can take over, so can mythology. So society is destroyed independant of the mechanics of government. This is truth, God commanded that the child be named salvation (Jesus) because he will save his people from their sins.

  • “No, this isn’t your grandpa’s conservatism. (Unless your grandpa was General Franco.)”Franco was a socialist (as was Hitler). If we’re going to comment on political thought, let’s at least get the part of the political spectrum correct. 

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    • A lot of fascists claim socialism. 

  • The funny thing many of these so-called “dark enlightenment” bloggers are Christians and Creationists so them trying to wax all “scientific” just cracks me up.  And their terminology “the Cathedral” is very fitting.  Yet they somehow don’t oppose or deconstruct the actual Cathedral (organized religion/Christianity).Red pill baffoonery FTW!

  • You link “conservatism” to “fascism”. I don’t see the benefit to the one for following the other. I wonder if you can draw that conclusion without giving an example in real-life. What is the force behind the “dark enlightenment”, angry white guys? 

  • I had heard about the dark enlightenment and wanted to see what it was about – and I found this.The movement itself is something like what I expected, but even I can tell that the author misses quite a few things. Why does he presume that people holding such views would be authoritarian? Does he not know the historic link between fascism and democracy? Why would recognition of “human biodiversity” imply that some must be “better” than others, rather than simply different?As near as I can tell, it is simply a necessary step to refining our understanding of humanity so that we can build a better world for everyone. Being wilfully blind to facts for the sake of political correctness can easily lead us down dangerous paths.

  • So the dark enlightenment is all white men (nothing racist to be seen here) and liberal proggresives have done nothing wrong in there thought processes and are creating a great society just look at sweden… Your not actually serious are you?

  • The “darkly enlightened” are not all “white men.” You mentioned HBDChick, for ex. And me, I’m a woman who considers herself “enlightened” in this way — but with a Catholic overlay (by which I mean, for ex., *general* group racial distinctions — and there are always outliers in ANY group! — doesn’t make a group with, say, a lower average IQ as any less precious to God, any less worthy of life or love, etc.). I see patriarchy — a Christian one in which women are respected and valued — as imperative for civilization to exist (see The Garbage Generation)There are a LOT of women like me. And even more men are awakening to what no-fault divorce, custody and child support laws, the welfare state, etc. have done to them with regard to their ability to form families. The metaphor of “the red pill” is very appropriate given that much of what we know to be true (as shown by Science and History) are things that simply can’t be talked about without *automatic* and *thoughtless* reactions that are heavy on the words “fascist,” “hater,” “bigot,” and the like — even though no one I know of personally in this “movement” even remotely fits any of those definitions. My challenge is that people reading this go to the websites mentioned, read for themselves, and grow a pair when thinking and talking about these matters. What’s going on now isn’t working, is it? We need something different. We need a dose of truth.

  • I think you started out good with the article introducing us to fringe social groups on the internet, and then you made yourself feel better, lumped them all together, and dismissed them as group beneath your own better idealism.Now your need to feel superior… fine that was honest.   But these groups are not connected to one another… and to lump them so and dismiss them is lying to yourself and your readers.

  • We are told, that the subjection of Americans may tend to the diminution of our own liberties; an event, which none but very perspicacious politicians are able to foresee. If slavery be thus fatally contagious, how is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?- Samuel Johnson  

  • White alpha-males aren’t what they used to be. White alpha males make too much money legally to get carried away with this nonsense. This is a movement of white guys who are angry because they did not get into Berkeley and because so many Orientals and East Indians did. 

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    • I think black women should run the world. They’ve done wonders so far, docha think?

  • Yours was an entertaining tour through the reactionary blogs. Your question should be: “how does this make you think?” In any case I like your conclusion, and share a good deal of your sentiments on the subject.Timothy Denton

  • “Rather, they speak only to an existential fairness in which each of us has the right to value, direct and make meaning of our own lives.”The myth of self-creation is, I’d argue, an essential feature of equalitarianism & liberalist democracy & can only (does) result in the leveling you describe (you suggest this is possible, which is a start, I suppose.)Self-creation, making ones “own meaning”, valuing what one “wants” ,etc., suggests that meaning is somehow contingent upon how one feels about it, or how one wants to feel about it.Applied meaning thus becomes a matter of preference; it’s democratized.Things mean what the majority wants them to mean & our notions of what’s available to us when it comes to “making meaning” are thereby conditioned (No one will choose meaning that will not be reciprocated.If it’s a choice, why would they?). Most moderns understand something like this is going on & that it’s not good.There are two common responses to this: 1) Decide everything is a construct anyway, always has been.The best we can do is push for equal distribution of satisfaction (limited only by what’s ok for the “environment”), 2) Hierarchies derived from received wisdom that describe and nurture a vision of what a given people actually are, what they actually want & need & a willingness to marginalize behaviors and ideas that only result in degenerative effects should be sought.The choice is between dysfunction & disease and purpose & vitality.

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  • These guys should stick with Dungeons & Dragons and their virginity maintenance programs and leave meaningful human discourse to the grown ups.

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    • Yes, yes. Like feminists…who tell us how hard it is for teh wimminz to snarf up food, then vomit it out, while others in the world starve.

  • Please don’t lump Authentic Catholicism in with this. Thank you.

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    • Pre-Vatican ll Catholics??

  • Did SCHARLACH1 mention L.A. used to be part of Mexico once?[Rereading]No, no mention.

  • Not sure why HBD is such a controversial concept? 1. All behavioural traits are heritable (eg. Turkheimer 2000).2. Environments and cultures may favor different behavioral and physical traits.3. Hence over time (50,000 years or less) you are likely to see some average differences.The alternative seems more like a Creationist view. 

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    • @Steve: Several reasons. One of them is for the same reason evo psych is controversial – they make genetic claims with no evidence when culture is a more parsimonious explanation. Another is that 50,000 years is very short. While I’m sympathetic to Harpending’s arguments, the tentative evidence he presented for major variation in “The 10,000 Year Explosion” didn’t hold up (e.g. microcephalin turns out to not actually correlate with intelligence).Another is that a lot of Pioneer Fund grantees use extremely sloppy methods (e.g. http://ant.sagepub.com/content/2/2/131.short ), or even fabricate data (e.g. Richard Lynn).Also, Turkheimer 2000 is an op-ed arguing for his positions, not field consensus.

  • Because fear-mongering is always fun.

  • strong homo and jew in this OP

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    • Are you a troll, a wannabe Muslim, or an ugly leprechaun?  Trying to figure out your photo.  But your name is pretty disgracefull.

  • Did I mention that most of the pro-immigration protestors in L.A. on May Day were Mexican?

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    • Did you have to mention that?  I think that would be a pretty obvious conclusion to that scenario without even watching it or reading about it.  ICE should have just started rounding them up.

  • Did I mention that nearly all of the Southerners wanting freedom in the 19th century were black?

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    • So you’re implication is that, what- because they had a vested interest, their opinion was useless?

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      • wow that’s a thick skull

    • This is not true, the southern planter/slave power oppressed the whites as well, they were the ones who first called them poor white trash or worthless consumer.  Lincoln told the south the Reppublicans was not a sectional party but would soon be winning in their section, referring to all the poor whites waiting to vote republican once they were enfranchised by the Feds declaring a Rhode Island style democratic change…

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      • And now the primary difference between white trash and black trash is their rap stars.

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    • We are told, that the subjection of Americans may tend to the diminution of our own liberties; an event, which none but very perspicacious politicians are able to foresee. If slavery be thus fatally contagious, how is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?- Samuel Johnson  

  • Did I mention that almost all of the people arguing for women’s suffrage in the 19th century were women?

  • Did I mention that proponents of “existential fairness in which each of us has the right to value, direct and make meaning of our own lives” are mostly first-world bourgeois SWPLs?

  • Did I mention that most proponents of socialized medicine are Democrats?

  • Did I mention that most proponents of LGBT rights are gay?

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    • Did I mention that you have mastered the art of stating the obvious.

  • Did I mention that most proponents of African American studies are black?

  • Did I mention that most proponents of liberation theology are poor mestizos?

  • So which of these neoreactionaries are all occult and force-using?  So far I just see politics without any metaphysical underpinnings.

  • “Cue the adherents of The Bell Curve, eugenics enthusiasts, believers in white supremacy and sympathizers of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.” Lay it on a little thick there, aren’t we? Why don’t you just say “crimethinkers” and be done with it?

  • “pseudo-intellectually grounded racism”Thank you for pointing out that their tenets are *pseudo*-intellectually grounded and thus to be shunned. For a second there, I almost looked  up  scientific literature on racial differences, which could have proved my first step toward eternal damnation. Forgive me for being tempted by heresy. I repent, and am once again secured in my faith that There Is No Such Thing as Race.

  • Before y’all mock these guys, you have to consider that the German National Socialists or Rand’s Objectivists were in the same little niche when they were in the same little niche.No wingnut political philosophy seems credible until it catches a memetic updraft.  

  • Where do the remnants Dixiecrats fall on this?By that, I mean a resurgence of the archaic federalism espoused in 1948 AD by Strom Thurmond, calling for an absolute and non-negotiable return to the most strict, orginalistic interpretation of the Tenth Amendment that is possible.Dixiecrats today are not racist. That platform was dropped, but many of them believe that segregation, while wrong, was not something the feds should have broken, but rather, the Civil Rights Movement should have done this state-by-state.

  • I a yes to understand why anyone is supposed to take this seriously.

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    • Can’t edit evidently; I meant “I as YET”, not “yes”. Sorry, not enough coffee yet, yet, YET!

  • Any ‘religion’ (Consumerism, Islam, Christianity, Political Affiliation, ‘The Dark Enlightenment, Scientology etc.) takes away from personal growth and dictates to someone how they are to think… This sounds like some geeks with a lot of fantasy and pop culture and mountain dew on their brains decided to form a club.  I find it laughable that they us IQ, which is the result of modern culture in an attempt to measure intelligence as being accurate?  Maybe they should take another red pill.  Life is perspective and anyone who discredits the ‘intelligence’ of another simply because of a game score (IQ) is missing something important about humans.Perspective is everything and even ‘unintelligent’ people in groups can do some really impressive things.  Anyone who works with engineers will tell you this.  A differing perspective, regardless of its source can be a great tool for enlightenment.

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    • The entire point of the Christian religion (And to varying extents, all faith) is to surrender one’s self-suffiency and self-reliance to a greater power. In other words, one must specifically yield their hearts, minds, and immortal souls to the supreme being, the deity: God (or “YAHWEH, Jehovah, etc.”).For people that are geniuses, scholars, or well-read to become Christian, that means they must lay down their intelligence and grasp the aspect of faith and simply not knowing all the answers.For smart people, their IQ and their smarts are a source of pride. No one can become a Christian without fighting and resisting sin: that includes pride.It is natural that unbelieving scholars will discredit those that do believe, and it’s because they can’t imagine a world where they will never know all and will have to trust sopmething else.Why else do the old hymns say to “surrender all”?

    • What did you think when Texas executed that guy with the IQ of 61?”I find it laughable that they [use] IQ”, right?In reality, you’re a mutant chimp seeking social status by reciting nonsense.  That’s the entire problem with democracy, right there.  Popularity contests among mutant chimps is a pretty terrible way to figure out reality or try to work with it.

  • Who ever writes the dictionary rules the world or at least defines it.  The use of Orwellian “truth speak” in the name “Dark Enlightenment” is an example of an attempting to control the discussion.  Truth no longer matters, only controlling the definition of the words used in the discussion. This looks to me like nothing more than another flirtation with Social Darwinism.  Dark Enlightenment? Let us kick it to the curb and throw it under the bus and back up over it a few times.

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    • “Let us kick it to the curb and throw it under the bus and back up over it a few times.” — You’re going to metaphor us to death?

  • While facially a “fair view” of the group, highlighting it’s “reasonableness” in light of the also-facially racist precepts of the organization seems absurd in 2013. Members of this organization need to acquaint themselves with the idea that society has /created/ the structures which disable the I.Q. of racialized persons.  Moving on.

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    • What does “disable the I.Q of racialized persons” mean?

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      • It means she went to grad school, possibly even in education. 

    • IQ – Intelligence Quotient – is an entirely made-up construct used to help educators identify extremes. THere’s literally no difference between a person with a 95 IQ and a 105 IQ. You have to have differences of 15, 20, 30 points for it to be even usable. In New York State, you have to be two standard deviations below the norm – that is an IQ below 70 – for it to get you anything. 70 is pretty profoundly challenged. As you seem to be.In other words, you cannot “disable the I.Q.”. That would be like saying “escape the tax rate” – it has no meaning what so ever. 

  • will someone please just invite one of these guys to a party already? or maybe get them laid. maybe then they’ll realize, everything is mostly okay. not perfect, but not impossibly egregious either. either that, or maybe these guys should just quietly keep watching batman begins and hope for a different ending. you guys are ridiculous.

  • … and, I think the second sentence of this is simply absurd: “To acquire momentum in the real world, the systems of modern democratic
    capitalism would have to suffer a blow far more damaging than any
    received so far. If it does, the members of the Dark Enlightenment
    believe they will be in position to take over.” I have to attribute it to some kind of mind-reading, because I’ve never heard anyone in the DE express the slightest interest in personal political power.

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    • I think the implications are that if it did, your political system would be in a position to be implemented instead. If your political system is put in place, it’d put ‘white men’ more or less in charge… which as a happy coincidence includes your groups demographic. You can dance around this so called ‘happy coincidence’ all you like, but it’s still there.To be honest, the only way such talk will ever be taken seriously is if it is selfless. This is undeniably the opposite of that.

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      • DE usually takes Singapore and Hong Kong as models of effective modern government, but carry on.

      • Re: Cold_Breaker,Why should white men NOT be in charge of societies their ancestors built? Do you not want black men in charge of sub=Saharan Africa? But I’m Jewish and I advocate for the same thing – even though I do not want Jews in charge of Western nations. There’s your altruism.

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      • When you get down to it, figures worshipped by the progressive establishment like Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King were working in their own ethnic group’s self-interest in the same way.  It’s perfectly natural to promote one’s own self-interest, and there should no need for anybody to be defensive about it.

  • Given the tight constraints you have to be under, I think this is pretty fair (although I’m not sure my hordes of “faceless adherents” will agree). There’s an enormous amount of unprocessed diversity on the Outer Right, so a lot of the points I wince at — monarchist nostalgia above all — find proponents within it. Even Moldbug offers plenty of hostages to fortune in this regard.The main thing I’d contest is the suggestion that some kind of positive racial order is being advocated. Dismantling the apparatus of ‘disparate impact’ remedies would do fine.

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    • So let me get this straight, HBD is a “simple fact,” based on laughable “science” rationalized by the very group that it would benefit the most, dorky, beta white guys?I mean, for all the “smarts” this group touts, I find it laughable that they’re blind to the fact that the very system they support is most likely the cause behind the mean differences in group IQs.But hey, at least the World is well versed in dealing with angry, white-guy tantrums. Seriously, though, what’s wrong with your kind?

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      • Yes, HBD, defined as a rejection of blank slate human nature, is a simple demonstrable fact. The suggestion that there is any conceivable system which could maintain group mean differences in IQ, much less also remain utterly hidden, is actually quite hilarious. Gotta go with Occam on that one.

      • Probably a mix of boredom, juvenile reaction to an imagined persecution complex, and a general discomfort with the growing idea that they might not be justified in their white male position at the top of the world so they have to reinvent fascism to explain why they shouldn’t be the first against the wall.

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      • >first against the wallAre you for real? You’re asking people to explain why you shouldn’t execute them?You realize that one of neoreactionaries’ major contentions is that progressives think they have the power to exile or execute anyone who disagrees? Your response to them pointing that out is that you threaten to execute them?How about people like you leave us alone.

      • …white men need to explain why they should not be summarily executed for being white males.Imagined persecution, and you and Tim Wise are casually calling for genocide.But wait, your picture looks like that of a white man.When you say you want to execute all the white males, you actually don’t mean all white males, just your political opponents.  Which is pretty typical in mutant chimp terms; both for a young male chimp to make aggressive displays to raise his social status, and for a tribe of mutant chimps to slaughter all the males of another tribe.

  • Too much emphasis on the clownish aspects, not enough on key aspects of the general NR critique itself, for just one example among many, the grounding in and adaptation and extension of Austrian school economic theory. That said, the fantasy/sci-fi stuff is entirely on them (some of them); they’ve beclowned themselves in that respect (you should give credit where credit is due: Radish Magazine wins the prize for the D&D cards). Not a serious piece, as I’m sure you’ll hear directly from the source shortly (the NR Ringwraiths are coming to ravage your comment stream, dude). But the NRs hardly come off as serious, really, either, what with the adolescent geek cosplay stuff, which is all too bad given the actual intellectual heft of what’s being done out there (stuff to grapple with, argue, deal with… not flippantly dismiss). Shouldn’t be about “optics,” but…

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    • It’s an effective and virulent suite of attacks.You see you have the entire world and the state of every soul in it to defend.   You won’t call it the state of the soul, but that is what Progressivism is about. They have only weapons.  


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